Comments on: Aviation Cocktail https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/ You can make these cocktails. Start right now. Sat, 22 Apr 2017 23:00:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-53965 Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:42:10 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-53965 In reply to matthewjardinephotography.

Yes, the color’s all wrong—”pilot’s delight,” I like that. Yvette makes a tasty cocktail, though.

]]>
By: matthewjardinephotography https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-53311 Thu, 12 Dec 2013 20:16:33 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-53311 I’ve used Creme Yvette as a sub for Creme de Violette – seems to work well, but the drink is decidedly pink. Pink sky at night, pilot’s delight?

]]>
By: victoriadougherty https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-34794 Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:33:32 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-34794 How could I not follow his blog? And thanks for following me on Cold.

]]>
By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-11221 Sat, 06 Jul 2013 22:40:49 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-11221 In reply to Will.

Hi, Will,

That is a marvelous compliment, thank you. I’m very happy that Cold Glass is being helpful. Wondrich and Stewart are very knowledgeable and skillful writers, and I’ve learned much from them, too—you’ve chosen well in your research.

As for the comments: it seems that WordPress, in its wisdom, includes the “trackback” and “pingback” references in their comment totals. I would do it differently if it were up to me, but at least we know where the number comes from.

Thanks for reading Cold Glass, and for the encouragement.

]]>
By: Will https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-10982 Wed, 03 Jul 2013 03:05:32 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-10982 Doug, thank you SO much for your blog. I have just “discovered” it and the writing, recipes and photography are outstanding. If you would write an equally beautiful and well-written cocktail book I’d buy it in a second and display it proudly on my coffee table!

Anyway, I’m trying to step up my cocktail game and this site has been very beneficial. I have been voraciously reading everything you, David Wondrich, et al. have to write on the subject. I’m also enjoying Amy Stewart’s “The Drunken Botanist”. But, as subjective as cocktails are, you recipes always seem “just right” and in-line with my tastes. Even a Wondrich version of the Aviation I found online omits the Crème de Violette, but after seeking out all the ingredients recently and following the recipe above, I can’t imagine omitting anything.

One question: On almost all of your pages I see that there are a certain number of comments, but the the actual number displayed is far less. For example, it says “23 Comments” above but there aren’t nearly that many. (Maybe I’m just overlooking a button for another page where they continue.)

Thanks again!

]]>
By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-10351 Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:19:55 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-10351 In reply to don sling.

Hi, Don—I agree that the Crème de Violette seems to be a natural for the Aviation. On the other hand, absent Crème de V., respected bartenders made the drink without for decades. We work with what we have, I guess. It’s fascinating to me how drinks get redefined over time, based on available ingredients, and the Aviation is a good example of that.

]]>
By: don sling https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-10301 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 23:29:23 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-10301 thanks for the aviation article.
i wanted to mix it since years.
a customer recommendet it
and i coudn’t offer because there was no c.d.v

no c.d.v is no aviation
i don’t like the raste of maraschino very much but in
the aviation it has a perfect counterpart: c.d.v
i would like to sample your c.d.v, seems to bring more
colour in the drink then my giffard c.d.v

best don sling

]]>
By: The Hesitation Cocktail | Cold Glass https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-9265 Wed, 22 May 2013 23:25:20 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-9265 […] the Aviation and the Blue Moon, the Hesitation Cocktail is another of the early-20th-Century cocktails […]

]]>
By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-9163 Fri, 17 May 2013 20:07:14 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-9163 In reply to daniel.

Good observation, Daniel. I should have mentioned something about that, so I’m glad you did. Thanks!

]]>
By: daniel https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-9159 Fri, 17 May 2013 16:53:20 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-9159 i love your take on the use of the cdv, and the conventions of naming. i would note that your recipe called for London Dry gin but listed Plymouth(the only remaining producer of the “Plymouth” style of gin, sweeter and decidedly more floral than a classic London Dry), so the flavor and sweetness of the cocktail would be different than if one used the Bombay dry

]]>
By: The Aviator No. 1 | The Five O'Clock Cocktail Blog https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-7953 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 21:37:04 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-7953 […] an Aviation No. 1 recipe can be found in Recipes for Mixed Drinks, published in that year — creme de violette was hard to come by, as Aviation No. 2 omits it outright. This is not a bad thing, I’d say, as what’s left […]

]]>
By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-2946 Fri, 27 Jul 2012 04:12:35 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-2946 In reply to swellkid recipes.

Thank you so much, I’m glad you enjoy my articles—and the cocktails.

]]>
By: swellkid recipes https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-2944 Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:58:11 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-2944 This sounds so delicious. I love reading your posts- you combine history and recipe into one enjoyable read. Thanks!

]]>
By: Aviation | Catamount Aviation & Under Orion Farm https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-2893 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:35:36 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-2893 […] drinking the “Aviation” cocktail, you can kind of get the idea and feel of how this almost lost drink can put you in a different time and […]

]]>
By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-2603 Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:12:24 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-2603 In reply to alchemistgeorge.

Your comment about the “yellow” Aviation being a good sour is an excellent reminder that we should evaluate cocktails on their intrinsic qualities, as you did with this one. Anyone who has spent time with old bar manuals knows that just because a drink is a century old doesn’t mean it’s worth drinking; and as you point out, just because a cocktail isn’t the same as the “original” doesn’t mean it isn’t good. Thanks for the reminder.

]]>
By: alchemistgeorge https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-2578 Sun, 08 Apr 2012 16:11:46 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-2578 Hi Doug,

Don’t you love it when years after you write a post it suddenly comes back to life?

The Aviation is a great favorite of mine. So I’d like to present a different point of view on its last decades.

I started getting serious about cocktails in May of 2002. At that time the Aviation (gin, maraschino, lemon) was “the secret handshake” of the cocktail set – if you knew what the Aviation was, you were ‘in the know’. I believe Dale DeGroff brought it back from obscurity, but it might be Paul Harrington who made it famous in his 1998 book “Cocktail, a Drinks Manual for the 21rst Century” and in his cocktail column on Wired.com [which may have actually been the first cocktail “blog”], and because he was serving them to the dot com crowd in Emeryville, CA.

The “yellow” Aviation (1.5 gin, .75 lemon, .5 maraschino) was a smash hit – in my life making instant believers out of cocktail skeptics. Luxardo Maraschino is great stuff, but easily overpowering and must be strictly measured or you will wind up with what Harrington termed ‘a glass of pixie stix’

When the first edition of Ted Haigh’s Vintage Spirits and Forgotten Cocktails came out in 2004, he mentioned that as great as the Aviation was, he had had a ‘Blue Moon’ (an Aviation plus Crème de Violette) which was better. We all waited until 2008 when Rothman and Winter re-introduced Crème De Violette to the US, and by then there were lots of reprints of cocktail books and we all had Ensslin’s recipe in our hands. Here is Gary Regan’s take on that moment – http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/09/28/WIVTS4MNB.DTL

Personally, I was not impressed with either the Rothman & Winter or the “original” Aviation and after buying two more different bottlings of Crème De Violette I can’t even remember what it tasted like. But I should dust off some bottles and investigate again – and try your recipe!

For me the most important point is that the ‘yellow’ aviation can be a tremendous ‘sweet / sour’ drink.

And isn’t amazing how recipes evolve and tastes change?

]]>
By: A Martini with something in it — the astonishing Atty Cocktail | Cold Glass https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-2479 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:28:37 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-2479 […] combination was gone, and Atty was reduced to nothing more than a florid Martini. Then, like the Aviation and the Blue Moon, the Atty Cocktail fell completely into obscurity, put out of its misery when […]

]]>
By: Rhett https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-2395 Tue, 06 Mar 2012 22:26:57 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-2395 In reply to Doug Ford.

I’m with you on all points! Wouldn’t it be great to see detailed inventories of home and professional bars from the time? :)
It’s interesting I stumbled across this today, I just started a month-long focus entirely on Maraschino on my blog…
http://www.and1morefortheroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/maraschino-march.html

Thanks for the reply!

]]>
By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-2394 Tue, 06 Mar 2012 22:01:29 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-2394 In reply to Rhett.

Hi, Rhett, thanks for the comment, it really goes to the heart of the article.

You’re right to point out that there are many cocktails that call for Maraschino. I’ve come to enjoy Maraschino over time, much more than I did when I wrote this article, enough to search out recipes that include it. My remark about never using more than a quarter ounce is amusing in retrospect; I’ll just write that off to the learning curve, developing a taste for the stuff.

The question I pondered as I wrote this article was the likelihood that a home bar in the first decades of the 20th century would include Maraschino, or just the more commonly requested basic additives like vermouth, curacao or triple sec, bitters, perhaps grenadine. It’s pure speculation—I have no idea where one would even start looking for stats on the subject—but speculation based on the marginalization of both Maraschino and Violette, and finally the complete disappearance altogether of the Violette. At least Maraschino had enough going for it that it stayed on the shelves; poor Violette, with even fewer recipes to prop it up, the marketplace just didn’t support it.

I’ll say one thing: I’m delighted that there are finally enough people with the interest and awareness, like yourself, to support these products and bring them some prominence and market viability again.

]]>
By: Rhett https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-2392 Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:59:01 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-2392 There are “relatively few applications” for Maraschino? That’s not true at all. It’s an integral ingredient in tons of cocktails, from pre-prohibition like this one and the Martinez, to lots of awesome modern ones, like The Red Hook…

]]>
By: Best Travel Places in the World » SFO Opens Airline Cocktail Exhibition https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-2093 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:27:49 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-2093 […] &#959nl&#1091 thing missing w&#1072&#1109 a mention &#959f th&#1077 Aviation Cocktail. It&#1109 obscure ingredients, including crèm&#1077 de violette &#1072nd maraschino liqueur, […]

]]>
By: The Old Cuban Cocktail | Cold Glass https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-500 Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:01:44 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-500 […] drinks seem to follow the classic sours pattern for me—whiskey sour, Daiquiri, Pegu Club, Aviation, and so forth—and now the Old Cuban has certainly joined the short list. I’m interested […]

]]>
By: The Seventh Heaven Cocktail | Cold Glass https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-490 Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:26:41 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-490 […] The formula—gin, citrus juice, and Maraschino—will be familiar as the basis of the Aviation in its late 20th-century incarnation—the one without crème de violette. Seventh Heaven uses […]

]]>
By: What color is the Blue Moon Cocktail? | Cold Glass https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-241 Mon, 28 Feb 2011 23:22:51 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-241 […] the Blue Moon had turned into a blue gin sour. Its appearance and recipe looked more like the Aviation than the Martini. The blue gin sour has been the standard model ever […]

]]>
By: Red Hook Cocktail « Cold Glass https://cold-glass.com/2010/06/23/aviation-cocktail/#comment-45 Sun, 11 Jul 2010 20:48:28 +0000 http://dmford.wordpress.com/?p=326#comment-45 […] it just my last entry where I declared that no cocktails could properly survive more than a quarter ounce of […]

]]>